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my name is Jeremy Korbel I seek to

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weaponize your curiosity and if you're

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ready to suspend your own prejudice

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welcome to the world of extraordinary

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beliefs material that has been pulled

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out of a man's leg that should not exist

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this sample could not have been made on

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earth because the isotopic ratios I know

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there are alien craft here from another

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planet I was inside one who are we and

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where are we actually sitting within the

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architecture of our universe are we

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alone or is the answer simply stranger

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than we can think and think all of our I

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and as we're looking at the Whitewater

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is when we see the white tic-tac and

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incredible capabilities as far as

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aviation goes there's no wings no rotors

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those that conservatives don't control

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surfaces of inertia doesn't slow down

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stops instantly and goes the other

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direction

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he was watching us as we were watching

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they actively tried to jam the radar

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active generators hostile action this

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thing disappeared to them in a second

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it's just gone you almost do this day we

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that's the voice of commander david

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flavor a badass Top Gun fighter pilot

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and in 2004 the commanding officer of

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EFA 41 the black aces on November 14th

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of that year began a typical Sunday for

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commander flavor about a hundred miles

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southwest off the coast of San Diego it

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was 70 degrees and clear skies and an

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average wind speed of 3 miles per hour

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but this wasn't a typical day

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not at all the Nimitz Carrier Strike

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Group was preparing for deployment to

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the Arabian Sea with routine pre

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deployment workups starting on November

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10th the USS Princeton had been

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detecting multiple AAA V's anomalous

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aerial vehicles UFOs operating in and

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around the vicinity of the Strike Group

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the vehicles of unknown origin and

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function were tracked on radar with

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returns descending from far above the

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radar scan volume some were higher than

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80,000 feet the targets were dropped

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from above 80,000 feet to hover roughly

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50 feet above the water in a matter of

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seconds an impossibly fast rate of

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descent and what I've been told at ICBM

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trajectories on the 14th

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commander freighter launched with his

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wso weapons and sensors officer into the

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clear blue sky their call sign was fast

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Eagle oh one his wingman and wso

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launched after in fast Eagle oh -

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commander flavor was flying an f-18 F

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Super Hornet when he received vectors to

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an unknown contact a controller on the

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USS Princeton with the callsign poison

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asked what ordnance do you have on board

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this was an odd request due to the fact

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commander flavor was not in an active

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combat area a hot zone he replied that

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he had no live ordnance this was

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real-world tasking he then proceeded to

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the location of the contact located it

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visually and went after it the anomalous

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aerial vehicle outmaneuvered anything

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imaginable by modern advanced human

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technology the craft of undetermined

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origin and unknown operators displayed

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flight characteristics far beyond

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current propulsion technology known to

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man or even understood within current

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physics this event has become one of the

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best documented UFO close encounter

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cases in history commander David flavor

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is now willing to talk and his testimony

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is what you're about to hear now I've

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been working on this case for a long

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time years before it became the tip of

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the spear about government confirmation

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or acknowledgement on UFOs before this

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case was publicly known I was hunting

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for the truth and establishing dialogue

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with the key witnesses involved most of

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which I have never spoken about publicly

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commander David flavor is included in

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that over that time we have developed a

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rapport and this interview is an

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important aspect of my efforts to find

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detailed clarity on this case

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extinguishing the noise and raising the

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signal

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commander flavor is the primary witness

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to this astonishing UFO event series

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over the years I've come to understand

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and appreciate his integrity

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professionalism humor and candor we

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should listen to what commander flavor

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has to say as his testimony has become

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part of the fabric of our time

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commander Faber is the real deal and

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that's just something you're gonna have

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to come to terms with what's your name

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and what was your title and occupation

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in 2004 David's paper I know is the

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commanding officer of Strike Fighter

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Squadron 41 deployed aboard USS Nimitz

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being the commanding officer of the

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Black Aces back in 2004 you clearly have

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a lot of flight experience and you're

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commanding that squadron I was the guy

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in charge of over 300 people at 12

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airplanes at the time I had Dover uh

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3600 flight hours up Congrats literally

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had every wall that you could have in a

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50 and at that time you were flying

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f-18s super hornets right yep

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numerous ones in the fleet lot 26

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advanced crew station jets were

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literally branded we've been talking for

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a while now the reason we're talking

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today the mass media and Global News

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have been abuzz about UFOs and you were

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the pilot in 2004 in that events series

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that had the closest physical and I on

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contact with the anomalous aerial

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vehicle that you've dubbed the Tic Tac

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is that correct it was correct there

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were a number of people that were able

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to see what was going on but you were

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the closest to the vehicle yeah there

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was four of us it's thought everyone

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else was just a radar blip which you

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can't tell if it's an airplane or why

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just oh it's there you're getting

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returned but for the eyes on looks that

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actually physically watched it for five

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minutes the report of us I was the

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closest well be in my back feeder when

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you got the communication asking what

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ordnance do you have onboard what were

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the exact words the controller used in

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asking that airplane

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cattle nine to the cafeteria a nine it's

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a blue tube Blue means nerd so it has no

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warhead it has no rocket motor it's

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basically just a mountain tube that's

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the same size as the real missile the

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seeker has real and everything behind it

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is thanks to blue tube came fire doesn't

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have a motor you can put it on an

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airplane and take it off with a wrench

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or a sledgehammer

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there's no rocket motor there's no

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nothing it's just it's literally a shape

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that has a real seeker head on it

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thought it is did you actually say over

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radio you could get it off with a sledge

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hammer

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I did and the guy kind of laughed he

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says well do you and your wing do you

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guys hear the same controller oh yeah

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yeah we're the same radio we're at both

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we have two two radios two UHF radios

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that we talk on there's the number one

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radio we're talking to the controller

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and the number two radio we can talk to

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each other we also have we have an

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intercom system in the airplane that

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allows it's voice-activated so we can

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talk to our back features without keene

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any mic it was a male voice that was the

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controller from the Princeton you were

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Coker's not on the ship's but as far as

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gos the Operations Specialist to do the

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air intercept control there's that

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document on the TTS a website where

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there's the pilot record and they have

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somebody that they call source in that

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it represents the people that day that

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we're flying people think you are the

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one represented as the word source in

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that but breeding through it I recognize

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that you're a different person in that

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document but that person the pilot

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actually of the other plane with you on

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that day he said that it was a female

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controller coming through the radio do

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you think that's just a mistake

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that's mistake it was a guy the 13 page

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document is correct the guy had a call

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send him poison his name is it was not a

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female on the radio with you

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so this interesting you had training

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rounds on your plane no live weaponry we

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don't we don't train in the US military

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with live weapons anytime you have live

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weapons

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we have to disable a bunch of stuff and

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we can only do certain things because

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sometimes people forget they have live

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weapons and if you put the switches in

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the wrong position with live weapons

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come off airplanes if you're pointing at

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your buddy and you accidentally launch

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one you know the weapon doesn't care

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it's it's it's one of those lessons

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learned in blood because we've done that

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before and bad things that happen let's

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jump into the actual experience so you

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go to this location you get told over

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the radio roads plot so they give us the

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vector immediately because we were

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committed which means we're going to

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this point we're going to this target

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that retracting so they start telling us

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bearing region altitude such as for

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they call these down until we get to the

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point where we're not seeing any on

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radar they're obviously seeing something

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and when the we get where our unit

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merges with their blip which means we're

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in the same radar resolution so that's

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called merged plot and once you get

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merged plot all of our head start

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looking up because now we know that it's

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around us and we need to figure out

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where at that because the radar can't

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help us anymore

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people have heard your story but let's

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just clarify one time you arrive to the

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merge plot can you describe what you

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encountered they start looking around

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the wingmen that airplane is off my left

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side or to the south and we're looking

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around we look down and the initial

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thing that we see is whitewater it's

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important to know because it's a clear

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day there's no Whitecaps it's just a

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perfect day and we see whitewater which

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means there's something under the

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surface like a female and as we're

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looking at the whitewater is when we see

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the white tic-tac and the back skater

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and the other airplane comes up and says

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hey skipper did you see I'm like dude

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what is that if we're watching the

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tic-tac who kind of

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north-south-east-west like bebop most

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random loser will the commercial doesn't

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slow down stops instantly and go the

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other direction which inner planes and

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helicopters don't do that because always

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a you're going fast

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Drex you slow down before you can

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reverse you have to overcome that

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inertia procreating come back the other

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direction

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you know our estimate is about 50 feet

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above the water and it's moving around

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left/right up/down you know forward back

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so it's not going up and down and L just

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once said to me a long time ago that it

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moved like a ping pong ball you know

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like a helicopter if it's moving to the

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right it doesn't instantly just go to

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the left keeping an airplane basically

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slow down stop and go the other

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direction

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we're in control thing pong ball against

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the wall the force field transferred a

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bounce effect other racers we would like

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people you know move stop go left go

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right foot forward stop hang out no

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pattern to it you know like it would

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stick it was kind of jumping around on

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the white walk like you know what it was

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doing

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Darry say that and at one point you said

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multiple times the vehicle pointed its

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its end towards you

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so everyone around so when we saw it we

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started writing a turn so not think of a

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clock we started at six o'clock the

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objects in the middle so we're to go to

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nine o'clock we're just watching this

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thing dude exact you know the ping-pong

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ball kind of people baby at nine o'clock

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I say hey I'm going to check this thing

302
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I'm going down I said the other airplane

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stays up high to provide cover and see

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Joe's get a kind of a God's idea what's

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going on we go around the circle when I

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get to the 12 o'clock position the

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object is actually important relative to

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the clock it's been pointed at the

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between 12:00 and 6:00 be long a

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didactic well that's it

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when I get to the 12 o'clock position if

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I start down it turns real fast it just

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kind of pivots so now it's parallel with

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me and now it's Mearing me so as I'm

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coming down from 12 to 3 it's coming up

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from 6 to 9

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I don't know if it knew we were there

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the whole time or what once I got to 12

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o'clock it started coming down it's

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almost like it acknowledged her presence

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and it's Hertz mirror like he was

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watching us your watch so without any

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live ordnance on board at any point did

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the consideration go through your mind

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that you might have to use your aircraft

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as a weapon so it wasn't it was an

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austell I wasn't trying to kill it I

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just wanted to get close to see what at

329
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what curiosity

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oh very much you've mentioned twice and

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in interviews like both with the Boston

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Herald and Nightline you said the

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vehicle jammed the radar the jamming of

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the radar is from the video that's

335
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different that's a different flight we

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we never picked it up on radar and I

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could with the systems that we have I

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can see the radar were looking but we

339
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never acquire a lot we never get

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anything from radar but our entire five

341
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minutes plus the thing is visual we're

342
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watching the active jamming occurred on

343
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the flight where they picked up the

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video the FLIR video that's when he

345
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reported direct he picked up a return he

346
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went to attempted a lock it immediately

347
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jammed the radar he cast it over to a

348
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passive targeting pod the radar going to

349
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go stupid if you look at the targeting

350
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pod videos it'll say ranging on the top

351
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right side says nine nine nine which

352
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means it's not getting ranging normally

353
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it's like if that was an airplane the

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radar would be performing arranging to

355
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tell you how far away it is you have a

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range so what's the importance of that

357
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statement what's the importance of the

358
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idea of active jamming compared to

359
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passive jamming what does that mean for

360
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people to understand the morning

361
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activist game they actively try to jam

362
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the radar which you're actually not

363
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supposed to do that unless you know

364
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you're an award or we're in a training

365
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area against each other it provides

366
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perception there's a lot of things that

367
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happens but this price as good as anyone

368
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could get right now that's the most

369
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information anybody's going to get right

370
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now from you you're saying or yeah I'll

371
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have more than most people may accept

372
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speculators but okay but I just like to

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just define the point so what you're

374
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saying is that that is a kind of hostile

375
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action when you talk about active

376
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jamming yeah active generator and the

377
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tic-tock actively jigna the radar right

378
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so you have a great description of where

379
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you were going towards the object when

380
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it began mirroring you you were

381
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attempting to get a dogfight lock the

382
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AAV tight

383
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it's turn lift vector on then ass go

384
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ahead and clarify if you will it never

385
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went behind us it never really tightened

386
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its turn it kept pretty much the same

387
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radius to turn around the circle as we

388
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pulled across from the eight o'clock

389
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position towards the three o'clock where

390
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he was at to moving to three so you want

391
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to kind of go where he's going to he's

392
00:17:06,819 --> 00:17:05,120
moving she kind of fell he pointed

393
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something where it's at I tend to get

394
00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:09,350
there would be gone you know who she got

395
00:17:12,939 --> 00:17:11,120
to project yourself in space we

396
00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:12,949
projected ourselves to face said here

397
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he's going to be over here that's where

398
00:17:20,650 --> 00:17:19,100
we pulled to and he pulled nose on it

399
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was just slightly off our left side

400
00:17:26,260 --> 00:17:23,300
rapidly accelerated across her nose it

401
00:17:29,169 --> 00:17:26,270
just disappeared ish what was the

402
00:17:32,260 --> 00:17:29,179
closest distance you got physically to

403
00:17:34,810 --> 00:17:32,270
the vehicle well some people they would

404
00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:34,820
say and that file is oh my god that's

405
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far away and I go in the airplane speak

406
00:17:40,750 --> 00:17:39,050
to half miles freak was there's false

407
00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:40,760
information out there that you were

408
00:17:45,010 --> 00:17:43,550
something like 20,000 feet closest you

409
00:17:46,780 --> 00:17:45,020
ever got to that that is incorrect

410
00:17:48,340 --> 00:17:46,790
information oh yeah yeah when it

411
00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:48,350
accelerated me disappeared right in

412
00:17:52,330 --> 00:17:49,970
front of us I mean I was a half mile

413
00:17:54,190 --> 00:17:52,340
away it was right at the same a looking

414
00:17:56,380 --> 00:17:54,200
at it you had once told me that the

415
00:17:57,190 --> 00:17:56,390
vehicle had a appendages what did it

416
00:17:59,980 --> 00:17:57,200
look like I know

417
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no rotors what did it look like we saw

418
00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:01,910
it looks like in fact there's no wings

419
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:04,160
no rotors those lifting services no

420
00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:07,010
control surfaces so she thinks 40 foot

421
00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:09,290
lunch when you look at the high-res

422
00:18:15,010 --> 00:18:12,170
video that good luck finding it but the

423
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:15,020
original video that we had so literally

424
00:18:19,210 --> 00:18:16,880
right off the jet recorders and putting

425
00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:19,220
on our monitors so we're watched it on a

426
00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:23,450
like a 21 inch or 20 HTP you can see in

427
00:18:29,260 --> 00:18:27,410
the TV mode because they the WIZO the

428
00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:29,270
backseat or the other airplane is going

429
00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:33,170
between IR infrared mode to a neo it's

430
00:18:39,700 --> 00:18:36,890
electro-optical black-and-white when you

431
00:18:41,169 --> 00:18:39,710
go to the TV mode is presume did you can

432
00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:41,179
see there's two little things that stick

433
00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:43,550
out of the bottom of it and the IR mode

434
00:18:48,750 --> 00:18:45,770
there's no visible plume there's no heat

435
00:18:51,010 --> 00:18:48,760
or show it's just a uniform temperature

436
00:18:54,340 --> 00:18:51,020
if it was a 10-inch and there would be

437
00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:54,350
you'd see coming out one side you don't

438
00:18:57,060 --> 00:18:55,600
see any of that

439
00:18:59,460 --> 00:18:57,070
then you know what it rapidly

440
00:19:02,789 --> 00:18:59,470
accelerates off the side it shows where

441
00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:02,799
the end goes up less I don't see any of

442
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:04,690
that any of the indicators of what's

443
00:19:09,090 --> 00:19:07,600
propelling it moves and so you had

444
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:09,100
mentioned to me they were l-shaped

445
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:11,679
appendages underneath the vehicle the

446
00:19:14,250 --> 00:19:13,840
tic-tac yeah like if you're looking at

447
00:19:16,919 --> 00:19:14,260
it

448
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:16,929
so know about I don't know 20 percent

449
00:19:21,060 --> 00:19:19,210
point five percent down and kind of come

450
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:21,070
out make like a little L to the right

451
00:19:25,650 --> 00:19:23,530
like a little down 90 degree slope I

452
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:25,660
almost look like little feet sticking up

453
00:19:30,899 --> 00:19:28,210
could be antennas we're both of the L

454
00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:30,909
shapes going to to one side or the other

455
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:33,490
or were there two symmetric oh yeah

456
00:19:38,940 --> 00:19:36,250
what's the right so we're looking at it

457
00:19:41,820 --> 00:19:38,950
you know it goes off to the left side a

458
00:19:43,919 --> 00:19:41,830
little bit down and up don't for that

459
00:19:46,409 --> 00:19:43,929
part I mean the way they're zoomed in

460
00:19:50,580 --> 00:19:46,419
there they're pretty close to the object

461
00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:50,590
hope that zoom wise was this technology

462
00:19:54,539 --> 00:19:52,510
impressive for you in that you usually

463
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:54,549
see heat plumes and that sort of thing

464
00:19:58,890 --> 00:19:57,039
through IR to see no traditional

465
00:20:01,380 --> 00:19:58,900
propulsion was that technologically

466
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:01,390
impressive to you well very much from

467
00:20:06,570 --> 00:20:03,490
when we thought about the water was note

468
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:06,580
washed no rotor wash no nothing and then

469
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:09,039
the ability to climb from the surface

470
00:20:14,159 --> 00:20:12,159
upwards about roughly 12,000 feet why

471
00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:14,169
we're coming down but then rapidly

472
00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:16,510
accelerate and she did an incident to a

473
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:19,929
speed where it disappears even Mach 3

474
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:22,080
you're gonna see for a period of time

475
00:20:27,870 --> 00:20:24,970
till fry at least 10 15 seconds before

476
00:20:29,850 --> 00:20:27,880
his peers to go out of sight or come so

477
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:29,860
small you can't see it but this thing

478
00:20:35,940 --> 00:20:33,850
disappeared in a second she's gone you

479
00:20:37,740 --> 00:20:35,950
said to me it was an impossibly fast

480
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:37,750
speed just like snapping your fingers

481
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:40,570
gone yeah it's very it accelerated

482
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:43,440
across the nose and the next he knows

483
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:46,720
was there an object under the water as

484
00:20:50,370 --> 00:20:49,210
far as you know don't know what was

485
00:20:52,140 --> 00:20:50,380
under the water but there was something

486
00:20:53,610 --> 00:20:52,150
that was causing the way it's great

487
00:20:56,010 --> 00:20:53,620
it could have been ten feet down we

488
00:20:57,899 --> 00:20:56,020
didn't see anything which out there you

489
00:20:59,730 --> 00:20:57,909
don't in the deep blue you know it's

490
00:21:01,200 --> 00:20:59,740
it's call you know it's dark earlier

491
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:01,210
right not just see it their feet they

492
00:21:06,270 --> 00:21:03,730
even ten feet when we turned around

493
00:21:08,820 --> 00:21:06,280
after the thing disappeared to see what

494
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:08,830
was with the service but their servants

495
00:21:13,530 --> 00:21:11,650
gone CMOS typically don't disappear

496
00:21:13,980 --> 00:21:13,540
white waters are their charter dinners

497
00:21:15,890 --> 00:21:13,990
there

498
00:21:19,410 --> 00:21:15,900
if you look on church or something

499
00:21:21,450 --> 00:21:19,420
there's nothing in that area as reported

500
00:21:23,940 --> 00:21:21,460
that after the tick-tock took off the

501
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:23,950
anomalous error vehicle reappeared at

502
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:26,170
what they said was your tap point he

503
00:21:29,820 --> 00:21:27,520
just went back to see what was in the

504
00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:29,830
water it was enough to merit we're like

505
00:21:33,330 --> 00:21:31,300
alright let's just go back to the cat

506
00:21:34,830 --> 00:21:33,340
point cuz I'm a slightly so they kind of

507
00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:34,840
do what I say I said hey we're gonna

508
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:36,370
head to the cap and the kids like okay

509
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:38,530
and then he's like you're not gonna

510
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:42,850
believe I said what's that again and I'm

511
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,690
like that's interesting what are the

512
00:21:51,450 --> 00:21:48,880
implications and significance of this to

513
00:21:54,150 --> 00:21:51,460
you that this vehicle ended up being

514
00:21:56,580 --> 00:21:54,160
where you were next going well like I

515
00:21:58,290 --> 00:21:56,590
will see if we can find it again but at

516
00:22:01,230 --> 00:21:58,300
this point you know you're like what was

517
00:22:06,270 --> 00:22:01,240
it it was impressive and incredible

518
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:06,280
capabilities as far as aviation goes but

519
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:09,010
I didn't mean I didn't have eggs they

520
00:22:14,970 --> 00:22:11,650
didn't have anxiety I wasn't I wasn't

521
00:22:17,070 --> 00:22:14,980
nervous I wasn't out there you know

522
00:22:20,430 --> 00:22:17,080
trying to arm to it even I had to weapon

523
00:22:23,130 --> 00:22:20,440
I was just more curious of what what he

524
00:22:24,330 --> 00:22:23,140
said a fascinating just like if you ever

525
00:22:25,980 --> 00:22:24,340
watched a little kid when they see

526
00:22:28,140 --> 00:22:25,990
something for the first time like a bird

527
00:22:29,790 --> 00:22:28,150
or Pete and they just watch it

528
00:22:31,470 --> 00:22:29,800
they just watching flying her because

529
00:22:32,610 --> 00:22:31,480
they're thinking the same thing wait

530
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:32,620
what is that I've never seen em before

531
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:34,930
it's kind of one of those it really

532
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:38,650
comes down to what actually was it the

533
00:22:42,450 --> 00:22:41,170
only way we were going to know is to try

534
00:22:43,980 --> 00:22:42,460
and catch one which we weren't going to

535
00:22:47,130 --> 00:22:43,990
do an airplane but at least it close

536
00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:47,140
with this see you know what is it you

537
00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:50,220
know did it have windows did it have

538
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:54,370
antennas did it have landing here what

539
00:22:59,730 --> 00:22:56,770
actually did it possess what was Joel

540
00:23:02,400 --> 00:22:59,740
was to this day we don't know yeah you

541
00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:02,410
were curious that was my job where they

542
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:05,260
tell you to go do something you go do it

543
00:23:10,110 --> 00:23:07,570
for 17 years that's what I had done it

544
00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:10,120
and you've not been asked to sign any

545
00:23:16,110 --> 00:23:14,140
non-disclosure agreements no the 13 page

546
00:23:17,670 --> 00:23:16,120
executive summary of the events that

547
00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:17,680
journalist George Knapp recently

548
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:19,540
released you said to me that this was

549
00:23:24,930 --> 00:23:22,480
the most accurate summary of the events

550
00:23:26,460 --> 00:23:24,940
can you comment on it it's pretty

551
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:26,470
accurate depiction of what happened

552
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:28,570
there are some errors in it but you're

553
00:23:32,940 --> 00:23:30,250
you know you're talking about something

554
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:32,950
that was years after the fact as far as

555
00:23:37,650 --> 00:23:35,650
the ability to recall a flight I've been

556
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:37,660
doing it for years I was an instructor

557
00:23:42,419 --> 00:23:40,330
twice yeah we do it all the time to

558
00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:42,429
train when we fight you have to record

559
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:43,809
everything in your mind and then come

560
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:45,850
back to recreate it I was the most

561
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,010
experienced and that type of airplane

562
00:23:52,770 --> 00:23:50,320
thousands of hours behind me because I

563
00:23:54,150 --> 00:23:52,780
had been flying Hornets the back feet or

564
00:23:55,770 --> 00:23:54,160
any other airplane was probably number

565
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:55,780
two and then the other two were

566
00:24:00,930 --> 00:23:58,720
relatively new even with that said I

567
00:24:04,409 --> 00:24:00,940
guess it's important to define that that

568
00:24:07,470 --> 00:24:04,419
executive summary is the most accurate

569
00:24:09,090 --> 00:24:07,480
account to date of those events for the

570
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:09,100
research that went in and tracking down

571
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:10,960
who would sue as far as the battle group

572
00:24:15,930 --> 00:24:13,210
and who was on the ships and all that

573
00:24:18,270 --> 00:24:15,940
stuff yeah have you recently spoken in

574
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,280
any official capacity testifying about

575
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:20,320
your experience to members of any

576
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:22,690
intelligence or government agency and

577
00:24:28,350 --> 00:24:26,559
who have you briefed I won't say who I

578
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,360
talk to you know I'll keep that to

579
00:24:31,980 --> 00:24:30,640
myself but I will say I have talked to

580
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:31,990
people in the government about this

581
00:24:36,930 --> 00:24:34,210
since the December article appeared

582
00:24:38,700 --> 00:24:36,940
there is an interest there are people

583
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:38,710
trying to figure out is this work you

584
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:43,120
know refunding programs to do this not

585
00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:45,850
necessarily you know it could be from a

586
00:24:50,820 --> 00:24:48,360
defense posture but I think it's more of

587
00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:50,830
you know what are these things how

588
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:53,350
common are they can we advance ourselves

589
00:24:57,450 --> 00:24:55,570
from the technologies let's stop looking

590
00:24:59,130 --> 00:24:57,460
at these things like they're freakish

591
00:25:01,680 --> 00:24:59,140
and let's try and learn from them and

592
00:25:03,270 --> 00:25:01,690
then possibly reverse engineer or

593
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:03,280
develop technology to gives us that

594
00:25:10,049 --> 00:25:05,850
capability which is a huge leap for

595
00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:10,059
really mankind as a whole I mean if you

596
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:12,130
think about it we advanced technology

597
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:14,770
significantly to go to the moon and you

598
00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:16,000
know over years I don't think people

599
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,590
realize all the benefits that we got

600
00:25:21,330 --> 00:25:19,360
from the Apollo missions and so you've

601
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:21,340
recently given briefings on your

602
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,490
experience to government individuals

603
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,320
I will say yes I have done that I just

604
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:28,720
won't say who have truck Jake you're

605
00:25:33,570 --> 00:25:31,600
quoted as saying the tic-tac vehicle you

606
00:25:36,060 --> 00:25:33,580
had the impression it was not of this

607
00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:36,070
world what about its maneuverability and

608
00:25:39,630 --> 00:25:37,809
propulsion gave you that impression and

609
00:25:40,919 --> 00:25:39,640
do you still feel that way oh I do feel

610
00:25:42,419 --> 00:25:40,929
that I don't think the technology I

611
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:42,429
don't think we've advanced enough to

612
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:44,050
have the technology for something that

613
00:25:47,310 --> 00:25:45,910
can come down from above 80,000 feet

614
00:25:50,970 --> 00:25:47,320
hang out for three or four hours and go

615
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:50,980
straight back up to come from a hover

616
00:25:55,290 --> 00:25:53,050
with no wash no visible flight control

617
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:55,300
surfaces come onto our LT I would think

618
00:25:57,660 --> 00:25:56,530
that if there's a technology out there

619
00:25:59,160 --> 00:25:57,670
like that that it would be more

620
00:26:00,720 --> 00:25:59,170
proliferated and people would be using

621
00:26:03,690 --> 00:26:00,730
it because it's it's too much of an

622
00:26:05,490 --> 00:26:03,700
advanced relative to energy sources and

623
00:26:08,580 --> 00:26:05,500
everything else that we just you know

624
00:26:10,940 --> 00:26:08,590
we're happy to land a SpaceX rocket on

625
00:26:12,930 --> 00:26:10,950
the pad you know and we're not even

626
00:26:14,130 --> 00:26:12,940
successful debt you've got something

627
00:26:16,650 --> 00:26:14,140
that has the capability that's way

628
00:26:18,990 --> 00:26:16,660
beyond this so what do you hope will

629
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:19,000
happen from you speaking publicly about

630
00:26:22,860 --> 00:26:20,080
your experience

631
00:26:25,860 --> 00:26:22,870
um I don't people take these serious I

632
00:26:27,299 --> 00:26:25,870
hope people stop no I mean we knew we're

633
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:27,309
gonna get ridiculed it was kind of all

634
00:26:31,049 --> 00:26:28,720
in fun you know there was nothing bad

635
00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:31,059
about it but to get people to understand

636
00:26:33,540 --> 00:26:32,470
that there you know we can learn from

637
00:26:34,980 --> 00:26:33,550
these things instead of think of

638
00:26:37,650 --> 00:26:34,990
everyone that sees one is crazy

639
00:26:38,940 --> 00:26:37,660
gonna be difficult to discredit the four

640
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:38,950
of us that saw it just based on our

641
00:26:43,049 --> 00:26:40,480
position on what we were doing the

642
00:26:45,419 --> 00:26:43,059
people that say things like you saw a

643
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:45,429
bird you have a mistaken identity that

644
00:26:49,740 --> 00:26:47,770
was a conventional military drone it was

645
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:49,750
just radar scatter what do you say to

646
00:26:54,690 --> 00:26:51,250
people or what would you say to people

647
00:26:56,010 --> 00:26:54,700
that have that opinion well everyone's

648
00:26:58,260 --> 00:26:56,020
gonna have their opinion but then again

649
00:27:00,330 --> 00:26:58,270
I argue with anyone to come and

650
00:27:02,850 --> 00:27:00,340
discredit you know what we saw me or

651
00:27:04,770 --> 00:27:02,860
what was going on and the fact that

652
00:27:07,410 --> 00:27:04,780
there's a lot of internet experts I call

653
00:27:08,580 --> 00:27:07,420
them you know and it is what it is and

654
00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:08,590
that's fine everyone has that I don't

655
00:27:15,060 --> 00:27:11,350
have time to answer about everyone but

656
00:27:16,830 --> 00:27:15,070
after 18 years of flying I would argue

657
00:27:18,299 --> 00:27:16,840
the fact that if all you got to do is

658
00:27:20,250 --> 00:27:18,309
type on a computer and trying to teach

659
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:20,260
someone and I'm not going to sit argue

660
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:21,370
with you I'm not going to take the time

661
00:27:26,130 --> 00:27:23,650
but I will tell you there there are some

662
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:26,140
extremely brilliant brilliant people in

663
00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:27,610
the world that are extremely interested

664
00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:29,980
in this incident and other incidents to

665
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:31,660
try and do something about it instead of

666
00:27:36,299 --> 00:27:34,690
trying to debunk poke holes and say it

667
00:27:38,770 --> 00:27:36,309
isn't this it isn't bad it's a spot on

668
00:27:40,930 --> 00:27:38,780
the array I mean everyone's an expert

669
00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:40,940
you know because you've seen a ship or

670
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:42,380
you've seen an airplane or you watch men

671
00:27:46,330 --> 00:27:44,330
and black does not make you UFO expert I

672
00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:46,340
mean I honestly saw one and I don't

673
00:27:49,690 --> 00:27:47,990
consider myself an expert and I think

674
00:27:50,740 --> 00:27:49,700
really if anyone's gonna be one I think

675
00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:50,750
it'd be the four of us that actually

676
00:27:58,180 --> 00:27:53,750
chased it do you still want to fly a

677
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:58,190
tic-tac oh yeah yeah yeah I would yeah

678
00:28:05,080 --> 00:27:59,120
in a second

679
00:28:07,930 --> 00:28:05,090
maybe fun weaponize your curiosity and